Mark Hiddleson 31:02
We just had a great one. Because we had a new client, we saw a lot of shelving, and racking is probably 90%. What we do the other 10% is conveyors, platforms, carts, but it seems easiest, the shelving that it just all kind of snaps together. And we’re selling to a lot of people who are new at it. And so I always try to give them all the information, I gave them installation drawings, and I was trying to focus on new clients. So it was really, it was kind of in the selling phase, like look at this what we can do for you. But it’s also really important because it’s not as simple as it looks. Because we’re
Greg Owens 31:34
talking about not not like the shelving you buy from Costco.
Mark Hiddleson 31:37
So it’s very, very similar to the bolus stuff.
Greg Owens 31:41
But I mean, like, it’s not something that’s easily like IKEA, where you actually see is pretty complicated type of thing, right? So there’s, like some, there’s some you got to put some things together,
Mark Hiddleson 31:53
you got to put it together. Yeah. And this list looks really simple. But it’s not because there’s so many components that don’t go on every shelf. And the other thing, it’s they’re really small. So with this, this started as the guy said, Hey, you shorted me half my stuff. And we can’t we have systems, we have ways of doing it. We’re not perfect, you know, we do make a lot of mistakes. We always fix it. But it was looking like it was just impossible that we had made this mistake. And, and the guy who was kind of rude to one of my people, which is almost immediately terminate the relationship, but I’m like, I’m going to try one more time. And he said, Well, you come down here and look at it yourself. And it’s in Santa Barbara area. And I said, Look, that’s fine. We do business I go, I’m gonna take your word for it. I can only keep stripping you components until you’re happy. I said, and then if I find out that you were dishonest about something, I’ll find out you’ll always find out if someone’s been listening. And I knew this guy wasn’t being dishonest. I said, Is there any chance maybe they lost it somewhere that they couldn’t find this stuff that because it’s small part? It’s on a pallet? It’s impossible. Well, I get attached about 15 minutes later, and he said, You know what, after the conversation we had, when I had our guys check in they found your stuff was right on the money. Everything was perfect. So yeah.
Greg Owens 33:09
If you could find a way to plant those seeds of doubt, right. Like they were they they kind of like they’re so short first and but then they kind of like think about it a little bit more. And they sounded like that. That’s what he did. He went and like after he hung up with you. He’s like, they’re gonna send me these parts. But he they seem pretty confident that they didn’t make a mistake. How to double check.
Mark Hiddleson 33:32
Yeah, and we did send a drawing so a lot of the stuff that he thought was, you know, wasn’t useful at the end when he looked at it. He said, Oh, I get it. Why? Why you guys do it this way and and everything to
Greg Owens 33:43
tell you about it. So you’re selling the storage systems into like warehouse spaces retail to or just that the back end.
Mark Hiddleson 33:53
So we do a tonne of everything. It’s mostly back in most of our clients are big warehouses, and even third party warehouses where they’re storing multiple other company’s products in one.
Greg Owens 34:05
So you know, we did a bunch of painting for Korra data storage place over here in Richmond, massive, right? Like, they just they’ve got storage, like shelving going all the way to their ceilings, which are like 20 feet tall, massive, like, probably like, I mean, it’s easily the size of a football stadium. The building. Yeah. So that kind of thing. Like where they’re storing stuff for other people,
Mark Hiddleson 34:29
too. Yeah, yeah. And we have clients, you know, whatever, really small clients startups that just have, you know, 10 or 1520 sections that they want to put in. And one of the main things that we do is that will if somebody’s moving in or going out of business or shutting the facility down, we’ll buy everything they have in that building in forklifts racking lot of times I want to sell the forklift to somebody else but we’ll buy everything cards, conveyors, lockers, trash cans, wherever we end up with and we’ll sell it to smaller companies. And so
Greg Owens 35:01
you’ll deal buying from a large company that’s getting rid of all this stuff. And then you’ll, you’ll be able to like, you’ll know there’s a market for certain items exactly, then sell it to people that are starting up or, or other warehouses or other places, right?
Mark Hiddleson 35:16
Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So that we always have a lot of stuff on hand, because a lot of my clients, they’ll be bidding on a piece of work that they’re wanting someone to come in to their warehouse. And then as soon as they get the order, they need to have the racking or conveyor or whatever shelving that they promised this client, they need it right away. Right. So. So that’s why that’s why we do that. And then it keeps us supply. I mean, it’s like, right now everybody’s talking about the supply chain, and nobody has, you know, our lead times for new material or anywhere from 16 to 24 weeks, or more. Right. So it’s important that we, you know, we have like 50 to 100 truckloads in stock. And anytime, given what we’re doing,
Greg Owens 35:58
wow, that’s a big competitive advantage, and a lot of ways to have all of that extra inventory. Yeah, it
Mark Hiddleson 36:05
is. And it keeps, I kind of keep what I know my best clients want to have, I’ve got a running joke with one client that I said, I always keep 1000 pallet positions in stock, just in case you call which is kind of tongue in cheek, and I’m also he’s never called me in these 1000 positions that we haven’t been able to fulfil. Right, but I’ve had to call him recently. And so you know, I know I’ve always promised y’all keep that much we don’t have.
Greg Owens 36:29
So it’s been diminished here. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Mark Hiddleson 36:34
So we’re also kind of the cleanup guy. Notice your I love your podcast kind of covers a greater year in the painting industry. We serve warehouses and and part of your commitment is beautifying commercial spaces, or am I saying that right?
Greg Owens 36:49
Are you mean, we’re trying to beautify and protect? Right? Protect? Right? So like, Yeah, I mean, painting is it people want it to look better, right. But they’re also a lot of times seeking protection, right. And so sometimes, you know, if you’re trying to do both of those together, so
Mark Hiddleson 37:07
we beautify and protect a few different ways. And I love this, a lot of companies have piles of racking, sitting outside their facility that they made changes, or they move and they put stuff in, and it wasn’t there, or they do a big project and they have stuff left over. So I want to be the guy you call, like, we need this cleaned up. I’ve got a lot of big distributors, they do what I do with that much larger companies. And they say, Hey, we had a bunch of stuff leftover in Tracy, can you go get it? And it’s like, yeah, how much do you want for it, we’ll agree on a price. And then we’ll just go get it, we’ll clean it up. They don’t have to worry about it and their customers. Because no one wants that. I mean, it’s worth money. But nobody wants it sitting outside that facility is taking a box base. It’s taking our people drive by the neighborhood is just
Greg Owens 37:47
rock. It’s rusting if we can be used, right, right. Yeah.
Mark Hiddleson 37:52
So we’ll go through it. And we’ll we’ll scrap the stuff that we can’t use, and then we reuse a lot of the stuff we can. Yeah,
Greg Owens 38:00
you must have been, how is how is COVID effective, I would think that it’s shaking things up. I mean, you talked about the supply chain a little bit. But also like we’ve had to go in at least we’re not doing it as much right now. But we went into a lot of buildings to paint, and they were liquidating everything on the floors, right? Like just getting rid of it because they weren’t having their employees come back. And they were getting rid of the space. And so we have to come in and get rid of all of their logos and get rid of all of their, their colors to be able to turn it back over to the landlord. How has this been for you?
Mark Hiddleson 38:33
So we do a lot I mean, that’s another thing that we do because the landlord the the racking has value but it’s it’s in 25 years, I’ve been doing this, it’s never been where somebody moves into a building, and they can use the system that somebody had, it’s so rare, you’d think even I’m in the business you think it would work, but it just never works. And they really real estate agents, commercial real estate agents that want to show an empty building, like a blank slate,
Greg Owens 38:55
right? That’s true, because people that’s close with painting too, right? Because people have they lacked the the ability to have vision of what the place can look for look at if it’s all cluttered, you know, as weird colors, that kind of thing, right? So we’ll go in and paint, paint it all like just white so that they people coming in feel better about it and can have some vision of what their stuff will look like in it. I can only imagine what the storage systems with racks everywhere and that kind of stuff. They can’t figure out how they would use the space
Mark Hiddleson 39:25
and then there’s going to be a cost to take it down. And unless you’re in that business like we are just going to be a cost you’re not going to be able to a lot of people end up scrapping. You know, I was saying don’t scrap or trash turned into cash. Right? Me and so we do a lot of that and with with COVID We were mostly focused we have a lot of customers in the food industry, which in all the recessions has helped us stay pretty pretty even. And then also the direct to consumer shipping. I mean it was already the fastest growing because the way you run a warehouse is Much different if you’re shipping full pallets to like a grocery store or a retailer, than if you’re just sending one case that you’ve built with individual products. So you need different kinds of storage solutions for that, then you do, you know, a standard, like distribution, grocery or distribution, retail setup. So a lot of people and those, the clients that were already doing that they had to rapidly expand. And so some of our best clients were adding, you know, customers, they had clients that were getting in the direct to consumer, and there’s a lot of really kind of cool, there’s, you know, every different kind of, I mean, hungryroot, some of these companies I’ve never heard of, but hunger route butcher box is one that a lot of people have heard of, the businesses were just growing faster than they could keep up, we have 1000 pallet positions in stock. So our clients were able to ramp up really fast and serve those growing.
Greg Owens 40:50
Well, it sounds like people come to you to like, like they, when they there, they buy a new warehouse space. And they’re like, Hey, we we need a solution for this. Within our storage, we’re doing distribution. And we’re ramping up, what ideas can you come with, you probably come with, like, here’s like what you’ve seen, here’s the best, this kind of system is what you need. And then you also said you do conveyor belts and things like that. So that’s, that’s, that’s gets tricky, right? Like, you got to work with their engineers, and you got to work with their team in order to figure out what’s going to be the best way to have stuff come in and go out. Yeah,
Mark Hiddleson 41:27
it really is in a warehouse. And you know, with experiences, the vertical industries, they’re all like beverage industry, there’s a lot of similarities between Coca Cola Pepsi, and then I’m in the wine. Because I’m in Napa, we do a lot of people ask me if I’m in the wine business, and I say I’m only on the consumption side of the business. But it’s a little bit of a half truth, because
Greg Owens 41:48
because you’re also on the storage side. Yeah, we do. We do store.
Mark Hiddleson 41:51
But more than actual wineries, we’ve done some really nice projects for wineries storing cases of wine on their property, but we deal mostly with the distribution companies, the ones that are storing it, and shipping it. And that’s the one that needs the systems, right? Yeah, there’s beverage, there’s construction industry. And so when we go, I talk to people, I try to find out a little bit about their business usually turns out that I know more about how people or other people are doing it in their industry, so that we can work together with their engineers, or the warehouse manager, General Manager and figure out what works best for them. And we also were kind of on the on the automation side, we’re on the simpler, simpler, simpler side. And most people automations is kind of one of my passions. So I love following RFP processes, watching, we had one client invest $6 million in a fully automated system, not with us, but with somebody else. And, and we looked at the payoffs on that they make a lot of mistakes, when you know, there’s a lot of variables with those big projects. I mean, this one in particular, they, they did their ROI based on all of their clients, where they had about 20% of them, like the wine club is really easy, because you just run and you do you know, 1000 of the same orders, it’s not the same return on investment of all the little individual orders that kind of lumped it all together. Yeah, you’re not gonna save anything on the wine clubs, you can do it faster with, you know, five guys and three pallet jacks. So
Greg Owens 43:19
that makes sense that because it’s the same thing going out every day, right? The simple solution is the better solution there. Yeah. Whereas if it’s too complicated, then you just spent all this money, and it’s going to take a very long time to get your return on that investment. Yeah. So Right.
Mark Hiddleson 43:37
I love the business, it’s always something new. It’s a lot of different industries, you know, I’m dealing with people who are passionate about what they do, and I’m still having fun, and it’s fun to get into these different problem solving. And it’s always been changing. Right.
Greg Owens 43:51
And, and, you know, we talked about being entrepreneurs before getting before we got on the podcast here. And, and that’s, I mean, that’s one of the things I love about this, what I do, right, and it sounds like you have that same thing is that we get into different things, right? So contractor, you know, everything from the Victorian house to, you know, the back underneath of a skyscraper, right? Like or the the roof of a skyscraper, right? Just the different sceneries that I get to go into and then figure out how we’re going to paint this interesting to me, right, like and, and sitting, you know, sitting behind a desk or all day long is not as interesting to me. Some people can do it, and I’m always amazed, but I, I have a hard I have a hard time with that.
Mark Hiddleson 44:40
Yeah, I’m the same way. I like to be I’m spending more and more time on my desk now. But I love to get out there. And that’s one of the things in this. Well, I’ve been stuck. It’s funny. I’ve been social distancing for the last 10 years because I don’t have anyone else in my office. It’s a Victorian I mean, people do come and go but we’re not really open to the public and I only Yeah,
Greg Owens 45:00
You don’t have like, you don’t? Yeah, you’re not retail. Exactly.
Mark Hiddleson 45:03
So it’s just me in here. So I do like to get out because I love people. And I want to go and see what’s going on meet people. And in the industry trends, it’s been amazing in 25 years to see, when I first got into this industry, a lot of the beverage companies, I mean, they’d started to add skews, but it used to be just like you had Pepsi, Diet Pepsi, you could stack it on the floor and warehouse because it’s cans, you could stack it as high as you wanted. And then Pepsi bought Sobey, I forget the years, probably early 2000s, when they bought Sobey. There, all these different SKUs, well, you can just stack them on the floor, because then stuff will be buried behind other stuff.
Greg Owens 45:42
And it doesn’t end it doesn’t stack anymore, because it’s different shapes. Right? It’s
Mark Hiddleson 45:47
bottles, and yeah, exactly. It wasn’t just cans, I mean, the cans, you can stack to the ceiling,
Greg Owens 45:52
right? That’s the beauty of cans, right? Like, you can just keep going. And it’s right, that makes so much sense, right? Coca Cola and Pepsi continued to buy off brands and the off brands that are like because some of my friends are in that, like where they’ll come up with a drink right now. And now they’ll it’ll have a different bottle shape. Right? Right, just like trendy or whatever. And you get some kind of vitamin drink or something like that, right? And then they’re trying to get shot. They’re trying to go higher on the shelf and the retail stores to that Pepsi goes oh, that we can’t have that we’re buying them. Exactly. Yeah. dualla is one of those right? All those different companies get bought up eventually, if they’re if they’re taking market share from Coca Cola or Pepsi,
Mark Hiddleson 46:39
right? Right. And so it’s been good for us because they all need racking on the floor. So we did several projects for Pepsi. And there was again, it was a kind of thing where we had it in stock, and they needed to ramp up right away when they bought Sobia. And then all of a sudden, all this stuff was coming in the warehouse, they had to be able to deal with it
Greg Owens 46:56
fairly quickly. And I was just in San Jose, we’re doing some projects down in San Jose. And there’s a lot of warehouses done in San Jose, right, like just and then I keep having this idea of buying a building down that direction and expanding that way to have like a physical location down there, right, because we do work down there. But the way traffic is going and things like that it would be nice to have a place. And but I noticed that the Coca Cola has a bunch of buildings down there, right? Like just it was it was interesting to me, because I was like, wow, there’s an interesting client, because we’re serving some of the same clients, I don’t, you’re doing the interior storage, right. And I want to paint the exterior of their building or the interior of their,
Mark Hiddleson 47:39
yeah, there’s definitely a connection, or do you ever do, one of the things our clients will ask us for his painting stripes on the floor of a warehouse for digging deeply in storage,
Greg Owens 47:49
we do it all the time. Because you know what I like you it’s like, like, we’ll do all the way down to the smallest of projects for clients to large the whole buildings, but we want to build the relationship as like, hey, we can help you help you solve some of these problems, right? And I’ll have the solution, I might know somebody within the industry or know, know somebody through my connections, right. And that could help. So yeah, I like to think of ourselves as like we go in and we’ll, we’ll help problem solve whatever it is. And a lot of times it’s like you know, a foot in the door is to get is to do the striping and that kind of stuff. So we’ll now there’s better if you have like a Parking Lot Striping for your entire parking lot, like a massive parking lot. There’s companies that we’ll do it faster and cheaper than we can write. And I’ll recommend that. But if it’s small, a lot of times there’s the smaller things where those big companies don’t have time for it, right. And we and we can come in and take care of a lot of those little things, right? We’re doing a bunch of work for some. It’s in some pharmaceutical companies, right, like and it’s painting just conduit that up there. They’re installing conduit, they built these buildings, they have parking garages that go down, right, like two or three floors down. And it turns out there’s no self service or web or internet service in those parking garages. Right. And so then they’re like, well, we need people to be able to get on their cell phone in the garage. And so they hired a company to come in and put conduit everywhere to run cell phone service down there and right and so we’re just like in there painting all this conduit for days.
Mark Hiddleson 49:30
This is a big job thing. Yeah, yeah. And
Greg Owens 49:33
so it mean it’s things like that, that come up, right? I mean, if we didn’t do the new construction painting or anything like that, there’s other companies that are geared for that, right like, you know, this is a massive building. It’s like 15 storeys you know, all the brand new buildings, North just north of the airport there where the like Genentech and all those buildings are,
Mark Hiddleson 49:54
yeah, yeah, yeah. And admire those buildings and well, they’re beautiful buildings
Greg Owens 49:59
and there’s company Is there a sophisticated, right?
Mark Hiddleson 50:02
Yeah, yeah, we’re on the simpler side of simple and, you know, we focus on Yeah, we have a niche, that’s kind of the same way. It’s like, under half a million dollars, or, you know, we could do more, but I really prefer not to just stay in that niche. But we’re, you know, I have friends that own companies that if somebody does do that, we just refer them to them. And I call it, there’s a lot of people that do what they do for a living. And then there’s the gifted professionals. And I’ve tried to seek out the gifted professionals or at least knew who does what, so that we can sort it out, pass referrals back and forth and keep our customers happy. Yeah,
Greg Owens 50:37
no, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s great. It also makes it I mean, it’s what I am also choosing to do, right, because it’s what I enjoy, I don’t want to be stuck on a project too long, right? Like, it’s, it’s nice to have a variety of things happening all the time, rather than be like, we’re gonna be on this project for six months, right, which we’ll we’ll we’ll do sometimes, but I enjoy the the the constant flow of different things.
Mark Hiddleson 51:05
Yeah, we had a project that it took three months, because we decided to do something in house because we could do it more cost effectively. And we did like the per piece price. And it took three months. And I looked at with my project manager after because it wore him out. I mean, it wasn’t as bad for me because he was having to go there every day. It was the same monotony and like everybody gets like we’re doing new stuff all the time. It’s like he said, it’s exciting to do something new. And then we looked at the long term, we said we would have been better off to have to send it out and be done in a month. You know, we wouldn’t have made as much money. But we would have been done within a month. We actually when we started figuring out I didn’t look too far into this. It was depressing me. But you know, there was a forklift rentals and all that stuff went on for three months would have only been a month. So all these other costs that you hadn’t factored in. You have to just get it done quickly. Send it out, have somebody else do it. And we’ll just put it in little bit in the right call.
Greg Owens 51:56
So right, right, right. Yeah.
Mark Hiddleson 51:59
Being an entrepreneur and still going to school. Yeah. Decisions. Yeah.
Greg Owens 52:04
Oh, man, it’s constant. The things you have to constantly be learning. Right? Like, yeah, I mean, we’re, you know, there’s, I don’t know how many different apps we’re using as a company when we’re trying to evaluate, I’m trying to evaluate some of them. Some of them I never even use, right. But our company uses them, right. And it’s like, Well, is there a better way to do this like, but I have to learn a little bit more about these things to figure out okay, which is the better way? And is that the right system anymore? Right? But that’s what’s that’s what’s fun about being your own? Yeah, it is your own company. I’m part of this podcast. I also like to like, what’s your word? Your words of wisdom for somebody that’s just getting started or might want to transition? or is interested in what you do?
Mark Hiddleson 52:49
Man, you could check out our website at special racks.com We have a lot of things on that. So you mean if you’re involved if you want to get more information? You know, I’d also say the warehousing Education and Research Council is WERC WERC, it’s WERC.org WERC.org. I was involved in that for 10 years
Greg Owens 53:10
in association for warehouses. Yeah. And they
Mark Hiddleson 53:13
actually have so if you’re in the industry already, they have a national conferences coming up, it’s like may 1 through fourth, and I forget what city it’s always an exciting city. WERC. WERC.org. And, and then MHI, which is Material Handling Institute mhi.org are great resources, if you want to look because it’s a huge business. And there’s a there’s a ton of things that could get involved in but I’d say those two resources would be a great place. Great place to start.
Greg Owens 53:42
Yeah, you know, and I bring this up, because so many careers out there. And like your career in a lot of ways. This is wasn’t like, you know, if you were to ask you, when you were like 16 What do you want to do when you you’re like, you would have never picked this path? I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t have picked this path. Right? Like it was what it was it’s sort of like sometimes your fulfillment What is it you’re, it’s like you create your fulfillment in life right through the thing. Try, right. And I tried a bunch of other things. But, you know, this is something I was like, it fit my personality, better part of it. It’s add, right? I want to do different things all the time. So right, and that’s why I dropped out of high school was because I couldn’t sit there all day long. It was too painful for me, but being being out and about and looking at different projects and problem solving is interesting to me. Yeah. And it sounds like a lot a lot of what you’re doing too, right. You’re out and you’re problem solving all day long. And and you get to create your own sort of experience. Yeah, it really is. It really
Mark Hiddleson 54:47
is. And I have I have ADD to Greg and I, I don’t know how I did well in school, because I will stop but I think there’s something else wrong with me that just kept me always like having to get Straight A’s are
Greg Owens 55:02
you got a master’s degrees? Yeah,
Mark Hiddleson 55:04
I just love learning. And I am a quick study I love. That’s one of the things I love about this business is when I was new, you know, something would come out. Like we also do dock equipment and they could go through there’s like 300 manufacturers and 16,000 products, but customer would ask for something that would know what it was. And I would give it the manufacturer, have them bring me up to speed is like not an expert, but like a general practitioner of a doctor who could refer you to an expert, or as a distributor, we sell for them. So just learn, you know, I wouldn’t know what it was. I’ll just go to school on it, learn it, and then apply it with my customer.
Greg Owens 55:38
Yeah, I mean, and I think your and your degree is also one of those where you’re, you’re exploring something you’re interested in. Yeah, then you are then you’re then you Daniel, pay attention. And that was helpful for me, like, you know, like, I look back Aikido is great, because if you ever watch an aikido class, it’s usually the the instructor will show a technique and show a move. And then all the students get up and do that move. Right. And, and then and then you sit down again. And you watch. And so it’s a little little micro bursts of learning, right? But it might be the same things over and over and over again. Super helpful. Right. And, you know, I think that sounds like you find what’s interesting to you, and then you really apply yourself
Mark Hiddleson 56:23
to that. Exactly. That’s how it is. Well, this
Greg Owens 56:26
has been wonderful. How would people find out more about you, they can go to your website. I can also put the LinkedIn in there. Any other any other ways that you’d like to be connected?
Mark Hiddleson 56:39
Yes. I love to run into people downtown Napa. You’re awesome. People are always interested. They always ask me about where I live because we’re doing business in Stockton, Modesto, Sacramento, Jose other places. If you’re ever in Napa Valley probably see me around downtown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, our website and, and LinkedIn are a great place to find. We also have an Instagram, and it’s not a lot of people are doing Instagram. I did it because I love the images. Because our stuff is all images. A lot of times I bring something up like case flow or carpal or pushback. Even people who are in the business. They’ve never heard of it. They don’t know what I’m talking about. So I created a gallery on Instagram, which is kind of cool to just flip through and kind of see.
Greg Owens 57:22
Have you have you messed with TikTok at all yet?
Mark Hiddleson 57:25
No, I don’t. I only did Instagram because I don’t know. I just I felt like I really want I liked the images. And that was the best way that I had to put images somewhere where people can easily access them. Then
Greg Owens 57:38
the TikTok TikTok is like little short videos, right? Yeah.
Mark Hiddleson 57:41
Well, I have my daughter sends me those and then I tell her to stop doing that. That’s my experience.
Greg Owens 57:47
Right? Yeah, that’s funny because I now I’m not great at this. But I watch a lot of different people. And my, my, my, my niece is married to a plumber, right, and he does leak detection, American leak detection, right and blowing up on TikTok showing how he fixes leaks, right. Like what he said when he had over like 50,000 views of if you have a leak in your if you have sewer smell inside your house, right? One of the ways it’s probably like a vent pipe is broken somewhere. But how do you find it? They’re buried in the walls, right? So he’ll put smoke bombs into the sewer system, right. And then you can then find where the smoke is coming out right inside the house. And then you can isolate where the leak is. But these are the videos that are blowing up on and he does he he had he had like 6000 followers on Instagram, but it blew up to 30,000 in TikTok, which is amazing, because who knew people would want to watch that?
Mark Hiddleson 58:45
Maybe people want to watch rack being torn down or loaded up
Greg Owens 58:49
totally or how they’re built our house conveyor belt. This is like how you find a solution for a conveyor belt. Right? Yeah, something like that. Right? And they’re just short one minute the three minute videos or something like that. He’s in that generation. I have a hard time personally like slowing down to like, think about that kind of content. Right. But he does it. He’s it’s, it’s so great.
Mark Hiddleson 59:13
Yeah, yeah. Well, your show is great. Your podcast is great. I listened to the mission barn one, and a couple of the other ones actually had my project manager. Listen to that episode, because he’s similar in a lot of ways. I forget the name.
Greg Owens 59:29
Take Jacob over admission by orange. Yeah, that’s one of the buildings I went and looked at for graffiti, just just like, shaking my head like this is going to be impossible. Well see, I mean, that literally we paint, we paint one side of the building and then like that night, it’s tagged again. And we were talking big, like not, not little things and we were talking a big hole side of the building.
Mark Hiddleson 59:54
And I hadn’t thought about so I listened to that podcast with the cost in the US people show up, and they don’t have the skill to create it. And the cost of all these supplies. I mean, what are these graffiti? Where did they get their
Greg Owens 1:00:09
warehouse? Yeah, the what’s the where’s the money coming from? Right? Because it’s not
Mark Hiddleson 1:00:12
in there executing really well. You’re like, Gosh, I wish I could get my guys to show up the next day and do it guy can give my guys a shout
Greg Owens 1:00:19
out there execute. Well on this right, these guys. Yeah, you’re right. I never thought of it that way. Like I should IRM like, hey, look, you’re doing graffiti. Why don’t you paint?
Mark Hiddleson 1:00:32
Leave a couple applications next time. We’re like to just tear it off like a little Tear Sheet.
Greg Owens 1:00:37
Right, right. We’re talking like, sometimes it’s like two stories up. I’m like, they came in with ladders or like, yeah, yeah. That’s great. That’s great. Well, Mark, absolutely wonderful to talk with you and connect with you. I’ll send you some info about when the Palmer’s you know, Zoom Zoom classes. Right. They’re open to anybody. Well, I should put them in the show links to Yeah, sure. Yeah. Because, and it’s like I said, it’s a smaller intimate class, but it’s, it’s, it’s right up your alley, and it’d be great for you to reconnect with her. Yeah.
Mark Hiddleson 1:01:13
Thank you very much for having me. I mean, this is this is great. The whole thing was great. The Wendy Palmer, George Leonard. Michael Murphy connection was just amazing. Right, right. Thank you. I can’t
Greg Owens 1:01:24
believe it. You just mentioned a few words. And we’re like, yeah, we connect these dots. So good. All right. Thank you so much for being on the Watching Paint Dry podcast.
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